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Dual Electoral System

42nd Federal election results

Party

Liberal

Cons

NDP

Bloc

Green

Ind

Seats

184

99

44

10

1

0

Dual

301

223

128

21

2

1

House votes

54%

29%

13%

3%

0.3%

0%

Dual votes

51%

29%

18%

3%

0.5%

0.1%

With Liberal/Cons members elected the NDP & Bloc & Green go to the Liberals

Liberal/NDP members elected the Bloc & Green to NDP , Cons 2/3 to Liberals

Cons/NDP members elected the Liberal & Bloc & Green to the NDP

Liberal/Bloc members elected the NDP & Green & Cons 1/2 to each

NDP/Bloc members elected the Liberal & Green to NDP , Cons 1/2 to each

Dual Electoral System

A preference ballot is used for voting. The candidate with the number one on a ballot gets one vote. The two candidates with the most votes are elected. The ballots are counted a second time with the elected candidate with the lower number getting one vote. Each elected member will have one ” member vote ” in the House to be used in regular sessions and one ” legislative vote ” for each vote received on the second count of the ballots. These votes are voted when the House is in legislative session and is used to pass, what else, legislation! One day a week is set by the Commons for the legislative session and any bills requiring third reading are voted on during that session.

The main drawback of this system is if you keep the same number of ridings you will double the number of members or having the same number of members will double the size of the electoral ridings.

Benefits of the Dual Electoral System

  1. Guarantee of an opposition since no party can have more than 50% of the members.
  2. In regular sessions the members have one vote each so there will be non-partisan voting on the election of the Speaker, rules of the House (2/3 majority), procedural motions and committee membership.
  3. In legislative session you will have proportional representation since each member will have one vote for each vote received on the second count of the ballots.
  4. No party lists since your still voting for the Member of Parliament of your choice. One MP represents the majority vote in a riding and the other MP the main minority vote.
  5. No major revision of the electoral map. Ridings should only be altered when the number of electors in a riding is 50% or less of the number of electors in the largest riding. Each election few if any ridings will change. This will mitigate the political fighting over riding boundaries or size for the purpose of any real or imagined partisan gain.
  6. An incentive to vote since the more votes an MP gets the more votes they have on voting on legislation. Also ridings will increase their voting strength in the House if their voting turn out is higher than the average.
  7. All votes do count! If your first choice doesn’t get elected then one of the two candidates who did get elected will get to vote your vote because of the preference ballot.

If the dual electoral system were to be used it would have to be decided what the maximum size of the House of Commons should be. A House of Commons of 300 members would give you 150 ridings electing 2 members each. This results in an 11% reduction in the size of the Commons and a 125% increase in the size of the ridings. The Party standings in such a House would roughly be 134 Liberals, 99 Conservatives, 57 NDP, 9 Bloc, and 1 Green.

You can try it before you buy it by forming the House advisory council. This council to consist of the top two candidates for each riding. This giving a council of 676 members all having one vote in regular session. All the other candidates in each riding transfers their popular votes to one of the council members from their riding. This added to their own gives the number of votes they have in the council in legislative session. The Council in regular session advises the Commons on procedural votes and in legislative session advises the House on the passage of legislation.

 

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Dual Electoral System for PEI

15 RiWade-MacLauchlan_0dings that elect the top two candidates in each riding giving you 30 MLAs. A preference ballot is used and is counted a second time with only the two elected candidates from the first count being tallied. They get one legislative vote for each ballot they have the lower number on. Each MLA has one vote in regular session where the work of the Legislature is done and when procedural motions are voted upon. For this last Legislature that’s 15 Liberals and 15 Conservatives. The Legislative Assembly is operated on a non partisan bases. In legislative session each MLA has one vote for every vote they received on the second count of the ballots. The Assembly goes into legislative session every Thursday afternoon at 1 PM to vote on any legislative motion to be passed. Any bills approved then go to the Lieutenant-Governor for royal assent on Friday morning.

Try it before you buy it. In this next Legislature form the Assembly advisory council. The council membership is the top two candidates from each riding giving you 54 members. In the regular vote each member has one vote. The regular vote advises the Legislative Assembly on procedural motions, election of the Speaker, and Assembly rules. In the legislative vote of the council each member has votes equal to their popular vote. All candidates not on the council transfer their popular vote to one of the two members from their riding. All votes do count! The legislative vote advises the Legislative Assembly on votes to adopt legislative motions.

The Legislative Assembly elected in 2011 the council would have been 27 Liberals with about 52% – 59% of the legislative vote. The Conservatives with 27 members with 41% – 48% of the legislative vote. A few years ago I mailed all the PEI MLAs letters (the Canada post kind) detailing the dual electoral system. Got back one reply.

Nova Scotia Election

Nova_ScotiaIn the recent provincial election in Nova Scotia the Liberals got 65% of the seats with 45% of the vote so much for representative. Here’s a comparison using the dual electoral system.

Dual Electoral System: A preference ballot is used for voting. The candidate with the number one on a ballot gets one vote. The two candidates with the most votes are elected. The ballots are counted a second time with the elected candidate with the lower number getting one vote. Each elected member will have one ” member vote ” in the House to be used in regular sessions and one ” legislative vote ” for each vote received on the second count of the ballots. These votes are voted when the House is in legislative session and is used to pass what else, legislation! One day a week is set by the Assembly for the legislative session and any bills requiring third reading are voted on during that session. http://thegreybook.wikispaces.com/Dual+electoral+system

Party

% Vote

Seats

Dual Seats

Legislative votes

Liberal

45%

33

44

51% +/- 2%

NDP

27%

7

34

26% +/- 2%

Conservatives

27%

11

24

23% +/- 2%

Chile

I’ve justFlag_of_Chile.svg emailed the following to the members of the National congress of Chile that’s all 120 members of the Chamber of Deputies and the 38 members of the Senate.  Chamber of Deputies  Senate

Traducción por google

Soy el fundador del partido federalistade Canadá.

Creo que usted estará interesado en el sistema electoral de doble.

http://thegreybook.wikispaces.com/Dual+electoral+system

Le saluda atentamente, Barry Aulis.

Letter to PEI Part 2

Last week I also sent the letter to PEI to the NDP and Green parties of PEI. I have just got a reply back from one of the members of the PEI legislative assembly. So who knows?

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Letters to PEI

This is from 2012. If any wish more information on my proposed Dual Electoral System please email me at president @federalistparty.ca. In earlier posts are elections results using the Dual Electoral System. On the page for the National Congress on the blog tab is a post below the first one detailing the US Congress under the Dual Electoral System.

I have been sending letters to the 27 members of the PEI provincial legislature dealing with the Dual Electoral System instead of their using the first past the post. I’ve done all members of the Conservative opposition and I’m about half way through the governing Liberals caucus. Here is a copy of this letter.

The next PEI General Election has the following results the popular vote is Conservatives 50.2%, Liberals 46.5%, and others 3.3%. Seats won is 15 for the Liberals and 12 for the Conservatives. What then? Furthermore in the last election the Liberals did not get 80% of the vote they got 51% of the vote. Also 8.5% of the voters didn’t vote for either the Liberals or Conservatives and thus have no representation whatsoever. You had a recent plebiscite on electoral reform. Here is an alternative to the first past the post system and the election reform that failed.

An alternative voting system

The 3 R’s of Parliament are representative, responsible, and responsive. With our first past the post system we don’t even get beyond the first R of parliaments. Here is an alternative to both the current electoral system and proportional representation.

In the 2001 BC election 21% of voters did not vote for either the Liberals or the NDP. That means 1/5 of all taxpayers; the people that are paying the government’s bills had no representation whatsoever. For the 2005 election it was 13% and in the last election it was 12%. The worst-case scenario is what happened in 1987 in New Brunswick. The Liberals won every seat with 60% of the vote. Forty percent of the voters had no representation at all and thus no say in determining how their tax dollars are spent. I believe this is commonly referred to as taxation without representation!

Like many I know that our first past the post election system doesn’t give us a representative House of Commons but also like many I don’t like the various proposed proportional representation systems either. After the Quebec 1998 general election where the Liberals got more votes then the PQ but the PQ formed a majority government with it having 65% of the seats I thought we really do need an alternative to the first past the post system. What follows is my proposed alternative to FPTP and PR elections.

Dual Electoral System

This proposed system of representation comes from the House of Commons itself. It can be said of the House of Commons that it is a group of 308 voters who choose from among their number two principle leaders, one who leads the majority caucus of the House and one who leads it’s minority. This is the basis of the dual electoral system.

A preference ballot is used for voting. The candidate with the number one on a ballot gets one vote. The two candidates with the most votes are elected. The ballots are counted a second time with the elected candidate with the lower number getting one vote. Each elected member will have one ” member vote ” in the House to be used in regular sessions and one ” legislative vote ” for each vote received on the second count of the ballots. These votes are voted when the House is in legislative session and is used to pass what else, legislation! One day a week is set by the Commons for the legislative session and any bills requiring third reading are voted on during that session.

Last four PEI general elections

Election

Party

Seats

Vote

Dual

Leg Vote

2011

Lib

22

51%

27

51% / 60%

PC

5

40%

27

40% / 49%

2007

Lib

23

53%

27

53% / 59%

PC

4

41%

27

41% / 47%

2003

PC

23

54%

27

54% / 57%

Lib

4

43%

27

43% / 46%

2000

PC

26

58%

27

58% / 65%

Lib

1

34%

26

33% / 40%

NDP

0

8%

1

1%

The main drawback of this system is if you keep the same number of ridings you will double the number of members or having the same number of members will double the size of the electoral ridings.

Benefits of the Dual Electoral System

  1. Guarantee of an opposition since no party can have more than 50% of the members.
  2. In regular sessions the members have one vote each so there will be non-partisan voting on the election of the Speaker, rules of the House (2/3 majority), procedural motions and committee membership.
  3. In legislative session you will have proportional representation since each member will have one vote for each vote received on the second count of the ballots.
  4. No party lists since your still voting for the Member of Parliament of your choice. One MP represents the majority vote in a riding and the other MP the main minority vote.
  5. No major revision of the electoral map. Ridings should only be altered when the number of electors in a riding is 50% or less of the number of electors in the largest riding. Each election few if any ridings will change. This will mitigate the political fighting over riding boundaries or size for the purpose of any real or imagined partisan gain.
  6. An incentive to vote since the more votes an MP gets the more votes they have on voting on legislation. Also ridings will increase their voting strength in the Assembly if their voting turn out is higher than the average.
  7. All votes do count! If your first choice doesn’t get elected then one of the two candidates who did get elected will get to vote your vote because of the preference ballot.

   If the dual electoral system were to be used it would have to be decided what the maximum size of the legislative assembly should be. PEI’s legislative assembly currently has 27 seats. If an Assembly of 30 members were set this would give you 15 electoral ridings. This gives an 11% increase in the number of members and an 80% increase in the size of the ridings.

One can easily try it before you buy it! The PEI legislative assembly could establish the Assembly advisory council.  The top two candidates for each riding would be appointed giving you a council of 54 members. In regular session each member has one vote. In each riding the other candidates transfer their votes to one of the appointed candidates for that riding. When added to their own this becomes the number of votes they get to cast when the advisory council votes in legislative session. The council in regular session advises the Speaker of the Assembly on procedural motions and when in legislative session advises whether a bill should be adopted and passed.

Of all the provinces and the federal government PEI has the most stable 2 party system and thus is the most suited to try the Dual Electoral System. As for this last Quebec election here are the results.

Election

Party

Vote

Seats

Dual

Leg Vote

2012

PQ

32%

54

93

25% / 50%

Lib

31%

50

80

20% / 40%

CAQ

27%

19

72

17% / 34%

QS

6%

2

4

1% / 2%

ON

1%

0

1

<1%